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I can't wait for Captain America Brave New World movie to come out in movie theatres 🎥🍿🍿🍿❤️❤️❤️❤️
I'm very excited for Deadpool and Wolverine movie 🎥🍿🍿❤️❤️❤️
As for me Apocalypse, Galactus, Knull, Jigsaw, Morlun, Nightmare, Onslaught, Omega Red, Annnihilus, Doctor Doom, Mr Sinister, Venom, Carnage, Dracula, Mephisto, Blackheart, Black Spectre, Scorpion, MCU Green Goblin,
Peter Jackson would be a great choice to me 😎
I'm very excited for Blade the Daywalker movie yes I called it that and I believe it should be called Blade the Daywalker 😎🥃🥃🥃
I can’t believe that they’re bringing back the Leader from The Incredible Hulk
Just some opinions I've made on the Multiverse Saga so far that I haven't noticed being pointed out anywhere else.
Phase 1 vs Phase 4
Originally I thought Phase 4 was going to be like Phase 1 where it's all over the place but then ends with the heroes uniting to form an Avengers, but now it seems as if that won't be the case and instead Phase 4 will just end being all over the place w/o any Avengers period.
Avengers 5 is too ambitious
I think it would really be a good idea if Phase 4 ended with our heroes uniting to form a New Avengers but instead it seems we won't see Avengers 5 until Phase 6 where it'll be utilized as part of the 2-movie finale to the Multiverse Saga. I think this is a mistake and we shouldn't skip all the way to get the next Thanos-level threat instead Avengers 5 should be treated more like how Avengers 1 was instead of just trying to crank out the next Infinity War as soon as possible.
Underused Galaxy
So far we have had Guardians of the Galaxy and Captain Marvel out of the galactic lore. The cosmos are so rich they could form a franchise of its own with all its content and characters but with all the miniseries and spinoffs Disney has made it seems the Galaxy has been left rather neglected. Besides Nova it seems it will stay that way which really sucks as there could be so much worldbuilding.
Civil War vs Thunderbolts
Besides the galaxy, Earth also has worldbuilding and in the Infinity Saga we see the consequences of past movies resulting in Civil War. In the multiverse saga it seems Thunderbolts will be the result of past movies, but this time it'll be villians teaming up. Am curious to see if it will just be another film to add to the list or if it will truly be the big worldbuilding core piece of Earth drama for the Multiverse Saga.
The Big 3
In the Infinity Saga we had Ironman, Captain America, and Thor all having trilogies, 1 movie per phase. So far we haven't seen anything like this except Sam Wilson's Captain America if you consider TFATWS to be a movie-equivalent. Am concerned there won't be any major character arcs this saga.
2025 end date
So basically Phase 6 as we know it is planned to end in 2025 with Secret Wars I think this is too soon and instead the Multiverse Saga should be stretched out to 2029, or 2031 since the saga started in 2021. I think these sagas will work best if the buildup and planning is done across an entire decade.
Dr. Doom will be a hit or miss
Now depending on how Secret Wars is done, Dr. Doom will be the villian or Beyonder. In Lego marvel superheroes 2 neither are present and instead Kang is the baddie responsible for Battleworld, this possibility is just as possible for the Avengers: Secret Wars.
But if it is Dr. Doom then I fear it'll be too rushed. Dr. Doom could have such an amazing arc, such as becoming King of Latveria. If Dr. Doom is introduced in Fantastic Four (2024) and the next time we see him is Secret Wars becoming God Emperor I think this will be too soon for his character. As many of you know Doom is one Marvel's greatest villians so I think pumping him out for the God Emperor storyline and then throwing him away is a bad idea. Dr. Doom in my opinion should have his own movie or miniseries to explain his origin. Not only will this be awesome but it'll dissociate him away from being a mere Fantastic 4 villian and instead as a heavy hitter who can stand on his own feet, perhaps worthy of being the big Secret Wars baddie. Doom deserves a character arc on par with Loki in my opinion.
But not every villian needs a character arc spanning multiple movies/miniseries. Thanos only needed 40 minutes of Infinity War to be fleshed out as the Mad Titan. Perhaps Dr. Doom will be just as easy. But it is my opinion he should have his own miniseries/movie. If MCU is gonna do Doom, do it good.
Am new say Hi
So this is my first post on this wiki and I've never written something like this but I'd really like to hear other opinions because I really disagree with how the Multiverse Saga is going so far and couldn't find any youtube video or article addressing these issues I see. Thank you for your time.
So I asked my friend this and she got it wrong. Can you get it right
Who has the most MCU appearances?
(I will answer at 6 Pm eastern time. Hi i'm also new)
Since Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, we don’t know the fate of Scarlet Witch since the temple fell on her. But it’s unknown if she died, sacrificing herself for the greater good, knowing her boys will be loved, or if she’s still alive. I hope she isn’t dead but if she did, she made a great sacrifice.
Also I’m new, hi
U guys excited ?? Being an indian I am
Kang travels through universes. We know he will appear in Ant-Man 3 but, what about other multiverse shows or movies? I mean it could just be in the back or as a main plot point.
I read from several sites that Helstrom isn't part of the MCU. I just wanted to know what would happen to the pages tied so the TV Series?
If Posible read Entir Mesage slowly:
If Posible reply Under each Question slowly Plez:
1. after Zemo asks, “How nice to Find a Flaw”, how did Captain America imediately Kno that Zemo is Sokovian? Did Captain hear that Zemo’s voice is (Sokovian Acent)?
2. does Zemo understand that (Ultron is Real bad guy) for Fighting Avengers in Sokovia?
3. Y does Zemo hate Avengers although (Avengers did Not intend for Inocent People including (Zemo’s family) to die in Sokovia)?
4. I thought (Avengers Apologizd on News for Deaths of Inocent People in Sokovia) so Y does Zemo stil hate Avengers?
5. (Tony Iron Man knew that Hydra mind controled Bucky Barnes to kil Tony’s Inocent parents), but (Tony almost Kiled Bucky & Captain) so Why didn’t (Dumb Tony calm down)?(~~~~).
What upcoming shows/ movies are you looking most forward to. ( I’m sorry if this has already been asked, I’m new to the fandom, so)
Me. I’m excited for the new Thor and falcon and winter soldier
If you wish to know about previous steps in this site-wide changes, check:
Well, now is the time, the dust is still settling after the series of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., the longest series covered in this wiki, and one that, now that all the answers that we are going to get have been given, has left us with many things to do.
We are now starting with creating and "splitting" articles for alternate versions of characters having appeared in the last few seasons of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., using a method previously explained in the first thread of the Alternate Characters overhaul thread.
A following thread will explain where the different alternate counterparts of a
There are a few things that have to be considered for each and every article created now:
- Characters from an alternate reality whose biography is the same up to a specific point will not, under any circunstance, have their biography copy-pasted to the alternate character article. Instead, there will be a paragraph with a predetermined text linking to the main article's section that constitutes the point of divergence. This will avoid having articles that are virtually the same, and will also avoid having to double check having to do the same edits on both pages.
- Aliases in the infobox will be removed from the main article if it only applied to the alternate characters, and in the alternate article, only the aliases applied to that version will appear.
- Biographical information given by or for the alternate counterpart that applies to an event BEFORE the divergence of the biography will be written in the main counterpart of the article, as it is part of his backstory, even if it's given for an alternate.
- The article, beyond that, will be written as usual, with all the needed subsections.
- All those (alternate timeline) tags in the relationships sections will be gone.
- The categories appearing in the articles, both the main and alternate counterparts, will be the ones that can be applied to that specific version of the character. The Daniel Sousa from Earth-199999 is not a Time Traveler, while the Daniel Sousa from the "History Altered by Chronicoms" universe is not an "Agent Carter (TV series) Character".
- All appearances and mentions in episodes will have to be double checked, as an appearance by a character could mask a mention of one of his counterparts and viceversa.
And, as to avoid people jumping the gun as usual, we will be doing step by step, character by character.
- Do NOT create an article unless it is announced in this very thread. Doing so will get you a block. Being unaware of it and doing it "just because I saw other people doing it and I thought it would be fine" is not an excuse.
- If you create the article, make sure you have the time to write a decent article before first hitting the publish button. Creating the article just to get the imaginary credit of its creation and leaving it so other people will fill it for you will get you a block, and the article will have to be speedily deleted, making it a colossal waste of time.
- If you have already written a draft for the article and you think it's decent enough, link it in my message wall, and it will maybe/probably be moved to the mainspace article instead of creating it from scratch.
- Do not pollute this thread with random messages about unrelated questions, about questions of "what about this other character". Especially in the last case, the reply will just be removed, and a one-day block will be applied.
So now, the very first articles that will be split will be Robin Hinton and Melinda May for their "Destroyed Earth" universe counterparts, that will be found under the Robin Hinton/Destroyed Earth and Melinda May/Destroyed Earth article names. Please remember all these questions before proceeding.
Any general questions leave them here, anything unrelated, please use my wall.
And remember, above all, have fun, that is the point of this wiki.
If you wish to know about previous steps in this site-wide changes, check:
In the context of the Marvel Cinematic Universe Wiki, we define a "War" as a collection of events, battles and confrontations that pit different factions against each other, and are obviously the main focus of a narrative shown in a movie or TV series season.
The Events follow a very specific nomenclature system that I proudly designed, as before having it, people rushed to create articles named "Battle of This", "Battle of That", "Battle of These" and "Battle of Those". Now, our system has been taken by some other wikis, ones with permission, others by plagiarizing it, but that only proves that the system works.
However, not every category of articles works the same, and the Wars shouldn't follow a system of being named identically to each other, as it is very repetitive to see that everything is "Somebody's Campaign" or the "War against Somebody". Even attempts to diversify this have become a formula, as when I created the Schultz Conspiracy to illustrate one of the two major driving forces of The Punisher/Season Two, with a classical political conspiracy, then out of nowhere, two more people realized that the rest of the Netflix series were also conspiracies, with Rawlins Conspiracy and Kingpin's Conspiracy.
To illustrate the point, we had a movie named Avengers: Age of Ultron, and its title was very cool. Then we had many movies after that, what if that cool name was used for them too? We would have had a Phase Three announced like this: Captain America: Age of Zemo, Doctor Strange: Age of Dormammu, Guardians of the Galaxy: Age of Ego, Spider-Man: Age of Vulture, Thor: Age of Hela, Black Panther: Age of Killmonger, Avengers: Age of Thanos, Ant-Man: Age of the Wasp, Captain Marvel: Age of the Kree, Avengers: Second Age of Thanos and Spider-Man: Age of Mysterio.
Even if their content is different, having all these names would make them to appear the same and therefore, too boring. And that is what has happened with these articles. How exactly can the Runaways be considered to be fighting a war against Pride? That is probably the example that stands out more in a bad way, but there are many more.
To know where the problem is, let's classify every article in the category:
OFFICIAL NAME
These articles have a canonical name, either from the Marvel Cinematic Universe or the real world, sometimes derived from major comic book crossover events. Nevertheless, the names of these events are untouchable, and not up for discussion.
GOOD NAME
These wars have an unique name that captures the essence of the events watched on screen. They also may include code keywords given in-universe, and despite a better name may be available, the current one is good enough. In shorth, they could be renamed, but shouldn't.
NEW NAME
These events are the priority of this overhaul. They mostly follow two formulas: "Somebody's Campaign" or "War against Somebody". They have become repetitive and many times, do not represent the true nature of what is seen. A combination of Uniqueness, Creativity AND Accuracy could make them even better.
So now, if you have any general suggestions for how to deal with this problem, or maybe a proposal for an entire system, you can reply to this message and leave it here. If you happen to have a particular suggestion for a specific article in the last list above, message me in here in a separate thread.
Continuing with the splitting of characters from alternate realities into sub-pages, the same process will be applied to the yearly pages that comprise the Timeline set of articles, with an structure of Main Article/Differentiative. The Differentiative will always have to be an in-universe reference, ideally, the name of the reality they describe, or the point of divergence.
Point of Divergence or POD is a term that describes a specific event that occured differently in an alternate reality than that of the main reality. For example, history in the Framework was actually based in five points of divergence related to Phil Coulson, Melinda May, Alphonso Mackenzie, Leo Fitz and Jeffrey Mace's biggest regrets in life.
Right now, some differentiatives will be: Framework, Destroyed Earth or Time Heist. Differentiatives for the two different ones shown in the last episodes of Runaways are not as clear as these ones and I could use some suggestions, and obviously, more are yet to come with What If...?. As with characters, they always need to be an in-universe term, not just the name of the "What If" episode they appear in.
Also, the main Timeline article will serve as an index for the different event chronologies, and the main yearly articles will have the POD marked if needed/available.
Remember, the portrayal of some alternate realities, such as the Time Heist, may reveal events that also happened in the main reality, such as the Ancient One defending the New York Sanctum during the Battle of New York. Therefore, these events should be adapted and kept as they originally happened in the main yearly articles.
As for the yearly articles, condensation is prefered in order to keep the wiki free of "single-lined" articles, while applying common sense. For example, if for an alternate reality, the whole events of the 20th Century can be condensed into a reasonably-sized article, or the 2010s prior to a single year that is the main one, then the articles should be aptly merged and named, instead of just creating them because there is a main universe counterpart for each decade of the 20th Century or each year of the 2010s.
The main articles for a single reality are, generally, prefered not to be merged, such as the 2091 year article for the "Destroyed Earth" reality. Ideally, that reality will have an article for 2018 and its Point of Divergence, another one for 2091 due to its importance, and another one for the few years and events known in-between.
Yearly articles that currently don't have a "main counterpart" will be decided on a case-by-case basis. Currently, it affects the 2021 and 2028 articles for two different timelines associated to the last episodes of Runaways, and given than both years have a high probability of having a main counterpart eventually, they will also be moved once a proper differentiative is chosen.
Obvioulsy, questions regarding how to deal with the time travels of the last season of S.H.I.E.L.D. that just started will have to wait until it finishes and we know for sure how to proceed.
Any doubts or questions, please keep them concise and to the point.
One topic of debate since the introduction of the Multiverse regarding the MCU has been how to deal with articles for alternate counterparts of characters that are already established. Multiple ideas were thrown, each one had its advantages and disadvantages, but the one that we'll be using will be the sub-pages.
What are sub-pages? The same kind of articles we already use for galleries, credits, seasons, etc. The structure of Main Article/Differentiative.
There already are multiple articles across the wiki for characters that are alternate counterparts of our main ones: The Framework, Monolith Constructions, Dark Dimension illusions, Cerebral Fusion Machine simulations... All of them, and the new ones about to come, will follow the structure above, which means the parenthesis will be left for unrelated characters that happen to share the same name, while alternate counterparts will always use the slash.
Yes, that means that all those links, such as Peggy Carter (What If...?), that were created in a rush by people wanting to be the ones who added them when What If...? was announced, will never be created under that name. For instance, the Differentiative will always have to be an in-universe reference, ideally, the name of the reality they hail from, but for now, we can't predict the future.
Keep in mind that, even if they hail from an alternate reality, characters that don't have a main counterpart will not be created as sub-pages. For the Framework reality, characters such as Chris Adler or Julia Price don't use them because there are no characters in the main reality with that name, therefore, no need for them to have sub-pages.
Same will happen if two characters happen to share their name without being counterparts to each other. An article about a guy named "Gary" from an alternate reality will have a name with a parenthesis and not a subpage of "Gary", just like Gary (Cameraman), Gary (Doctor) or Gary (Henchman).
Regarding to the content of the article, Fandom has coding tools that allow to show the same text from an article right into another one, without the need to copy paste the articles and apply changes to both. It will be used to show the biography of the alternate counterpart that is exactly the same until a point where they diverge.
However, Fandom is migrating to a new server platform, and coding may change, so we will all exercise caution and patience before we can actually use or see this. Just know that this is the ultimate goal. Therefore, the split of existing articles and creation of new ones is, for the time being strictly forbidden. (We've been fine for a year without two articles for Thanos, there is no rush in creating them now just because of this).
Hope this clarifies things regarding this particular subject.