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Leader(s)[]
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Ok, when we saw Baron Strucker in Captain America: The Winter Soldier we all thought that he is the current leader of HYDRA. At that time, the assumption was very logical becaue he is the best known leader of HYDRA in the comics. But what if that's not the case here? What if HYDRA has several leaders now? Daniel Whitehall was called "one of HYDRA's heads" by Kenneth Turgeon. So far we know almost nothing about the structure of HYDRA's leadership. Does anyone have any idea how to solve this mystery?--UskokHail HYDRA! 13:58, October 28, 2014 (UTC)
- A very easy explanation would be that modern HYDRA operates as semi-independent cells. There was a cell at the Triskelion seen in CATWS, another one led by Strucker, Centipede led by Garrett, the one led by Whitehall... Or maybe that statement about HYDRA's heads meant there is a council of leaders, as a parallel to the actual hydra that had many heads... Shabook (talk) 14:11, October 28, 2014 (UTC)
- Taking into account that Whitehall was confirmed to be "one of HYDRA's new heads" and nothing was said about Strucker, I think we should place Whitehall as a/the leader... at least we got some confirmation about Strucker's position.--Blaublau94 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (talk) 14:15, October 28, 2014 (UTC)
- I like the "council of leaders" theory but still... On the POTC Wiki, when we had such a dilemma, we would go directly for the source and ask one of the script writers (Terry Rossio in this case) to clear the things a bit. So, does anyone have a Twitter account or something to talk with one of the writers of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. or Stephen McFeely and Christopher Markus?--UskokHail HYDRA! 14:25, October 28, 2014 (UTC)
- Taking into account that Whitehall was confirmed to be "one of HYDRA's new heads" and nothing was said about Strucker, I think we should place Whitehall as a/the leader... at least we got some confirmation about Strucker's position.--Blaublau94 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (talk) 14:15, October 28, 2014 (UTC)
- I think we should leave Strucker labeled as the leader of HYDRA. Since nothing really has been said to counter this and all Turgeon said was that Whitehall was "one of HYDRA's heads" we can assume there are other leaders of HYDRA. In the comics, HYDRA is structured with the Council of HYDRA (which Whitehall is a member of) at the top and high ranking leaders below them called Imperial Hydras. I was told that unless the movies or TV shows say other wise, it is ok to use the comics as a source of reference on this site and that does make Strucker the leader of HYDRA by default. So until we find out otherwise, I say until we are told otherwise, we keep the list of members and positions the way it is.--Professor Ambrius (talk) 14:39, October 28, 2014 (UTC)
- "Since Strucker is overseas, I assume you report to someone else." (Since the President is not here, I assume you report to the Vice President). That's the way I saw it. --Blaublau94 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (talk) 18:35, November 16, 2014 (UTC)
- Or maybe, "Since Strucker is overseas, I assume you report to someone else." (Since General "Smith" is not here, I assume you report to General "Williams"). That, together with the "one of HYDRA's heads" quote, may indicate that both Strucker and Whitehall hold the same position, but nothing can be sure for now.Shabook (talk) 18:42, November 16, 2014 (UTC)
- "Since Strucker is overseas, I assume you report to someone else." (Since the President is not here, I assume you report to the Vice President). That's the way I saw it. --Blaublau94 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (talk) 18:35, November 16, 2014 (UTC)
- Judging by the latest AoS episode, HYDRA does have some sort of a council, but Strucker is the main leader. --UskokHail HYDRA! 10:19, March 7, 2015 (UTC)
- It looked like a board of directors, and Strucker is like a CEO, or maybe he leaded the largest section of HYDRA. Shabook (talk) 21:39, March 7, 2015 (UTC)
- In this clip, Coulson calls Strucker and List "HYDRA's new heads", which implies Strucker wasn't the head (or at least one of the heads) until recently, or at least not before Pierce's death. --UskokHail HYDRA! 07:32, April 18, 2015 (UTC)
- It looked like a board of directors, and Strucker is like a CEO, or maybe he leaded the largest section of HYDRA. Shabook (talk) 21:39, March 7, 2015 (UTC)
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Introduction[]
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Something is wrong with the introduction. Two sentences in, there is a number like 1777 and the body doesn't read correctly. Could someone correct this. I'm too tired to research how...Bratpack (talk) 02:45, February 19, 2015 (UTC)
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Listing[]
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Since this is a more structured website when it comes to multiple people join one team/orgiganization: is there a possibility that this page could also has an extra page dedicated to Hydra members, like S.H.I.E.L.D. does?
Stormbaron (talk) 06:32, January 6, 2016 (UTC)
- Not a bad idea. It could work.--UskokS.H.I.E.L.D. Headquarters - Playground 08:51, January 6, 2016 (UTC)
- I agree with this also. I believe in consistency.Bratpack (talk) 18:37, February 19, 2016 (UTC)
- I also agree.--Blaublau94 (talk) 18:39, February 19, 2016 (UTC)
- I agree with this also. I believe in consistency.Bratpack (talk) 18:37, February 19, 2016 (UTC)
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HYDRA's past[]
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Regarding the TV shows that are delving further into HYDRA's past, we see that HYDRA as incarnated in WWII by the Red Skull and since having infiltrated S.H.I.E.L.D. is only a facet of a larger organization. This organization originates in ancient times and is what HYDRA stems off from. In AoS season 3 we see this organization in the past, before HYDRA as we know it existed, and its evolution. In Agent Carter season 2, we see the Arena Club, in which the Council of Nine sits, the leaders of this organization. Both the Arena Club and HYDRA are fairly recent to be used as names for this larger, older organization. I propose another article focusing on the larger aspect of this organization, while keeping this page to focus on HYDRA. The larger organization includes HYDRA and Arena Club, but is more inclusive. Gideon Malick seems to be more a member of this larger organization, and then by extension HYDRA, instead of merely a HYDRA member. While no name has been given for this organization, perhaps a temporary name can be assigned or this suggestion saved and brought up later in the series. At the very least, a distinction should be made between HYDRA and its precursor, and caution taken when discussing Arena Club in relation to HYDRA and its precursor. Again, nothing is certain as of yet, more information is needed. LostAsgardianGod (talk) 05:33, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
- Until we have concrete information that the Arena Club and the Council of Nine are truly connected to HYDRA, I don't thing they should be included in HYDRA'S history on this page. As for the "larger organization" again, I say until there's concrete information, it should not be mentioned.--Professor Ambrius (talk) 19:21, February 19, 2016 (UTC)
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Talbot's Offensive/Destruction of HYDRA[]
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Even though HYDRA suffered a heavy defeat in Talbot's attack, I wouldn't exactly call that action "Destruction of HYDRA". First, HYDRA wasn't completely destroyed. As we saw in Failed Experiments, at least three heads/high ranking members survived. Also, the Winter Soldier Program facility was still active and Vasily Karpov was still alive. And let's be honest, no matter how many times HYDRA "dies", it will always rise again. So I would change all the links to "Destruction of HYDRA" into "Glenn Talbot's Offensive" or "Glenn Talbot's Campaign". If anyone has some other ideas, I'm all ears.--UskokS.H.I.E.L.D. Headquarters - Playground 18:34, May 8, 2016 (UTC)
I don't know about this. High ranking members surviving doesn't mean a organization is not over. With their very leadership, loyalists and core disistabilized assuming they reassemble now is pretty soon and unfactual. HYDRA's motto is not something factual, it is just a sign on how they tend to rise during moments of downfall (and how it mirrors the Greek legend of the Hydra), but it doesn't automatically mean they will rise. It's like the same situation with the Covenant in Halo. When the main leader, core member died at a decisvise battle which saw the end of many of the Covenant's forces, they were done for good, even if there were some high ranking figures out there, or how the same happened with Nazis in real life when many didn't die, but the Third Reich seized to exist.- Draft227 16:27 May 8,2016 9UTC)
- These heads of HYDRA are explicitly credited as "Ex-HYDRA", so their survival doesn't mean intrinsically the survival of their organization. Also, I doubt that Karpov was HYDRA anymore. Yes, he preferred to die than to betray HYDRA, but that, again, doesn't mean that HYDRA was active. And the Winter Soldiers in Siberia looked to be forgotten. And the "no matter how many times HYDRA "dies", it will always rise again" it's just your personal opinion.--Shabook (talk) 19:42, May 8, 2016 (UTC)
- All right. In case HYDRA comes back, the Rename option always remains.--UskokS.H.I.E.L.D. Headquarters - Playground 15:46, May 9, 2016 (UTC)
- I don't think the writers added that scene so that HYDRA can come back again at a later time. They clearly wanted HYDRA to be gone once and for all. Dr.Who1997To The Playground 16:02, May 9, 2016 (UTC)
- All right. In case HYDRA comes back, the Rename option always remains.--UskokS.H.I.E.L.D. Headquarters - Playground 15:46, May 9, 2016 (UTC)
- These heads of HYDRA are explicitly credited as "Ex-HYDRA", so their survival doesn't mean intrinsically the survival of their organization. Also, I doubt that Karpov was HYDRA anymore. Yes, he preferred to die than to betray HYDRA, but that, again, doesn't mean that HYDRA was active. And the Winter Soldiers in Siberia looked to be forgotten. And the "no matter how many times HYDRA "dies", it will always rise again" it's just your personal opinion.--Shabook (talk) 19:42, May 8, 2016 (UTC)
- Do not assume that HYDRA (why do they even capitalize the name? It's not an acronym like SHIELD) is gone. Mitchell Carson was able to retrieve a container of Pym particles and is unaccounted for. Plus we all thought HYDRA was gone after First Avenger, and it turns out they were able to rebuild themselves. Tex the Spartan (talk) 20:44, June 30, 2016 (UTC)Tex the Spartan
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Members Section[]
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The members of HYDRA are properly divided into 1800s, WW2 era, and modern era (+Centipede); however, I think the modern era section is a mess. There are too many heads, and it is not clear which member is loyal to which cell or faction.
I suggest we should categorize the members as the following:
- 19th Century
- World War II Era
- Modern Era
- Uprising Cell
- Project Insight (Zola, Pierce, Winter Soldier...)
- Centipede Project (Garett, Ward...)
- Malick Family (Hive's modern worshipers, inner circle)
- Strucker and List's Cell
- Whitehall's Cell
- Round Table (name may change) (Octavian Bloom, Baroness,...)
- Ward's cell (Ward as director)
- Uprising Cell
I just couldn't figure out where to put the Winter Soldier Program.
What do you guys think? Silacko (talk) 08:42, July 8, 2016 (UTC)
- Exactly that has always been hard for me to understand anyway, so I'm all ears.
- Amargaard (talk) 10:21, July 8, 2016 (UTC)
- I fully support any attempt to make the nu-HYDRA section more coherent. There were so many HYDRA factions post-Winter Soldier that a single table for nu-HYDRA was never good enough. ThroningErmine8 (talk) 10:27, July 8, 2016 (UTC)
- Seems like a very good idea. HYDRA got so messed up after Winter Soldier so any attempts to clarify the modern members list will be most welcomed. --Professor Ambrius (talk) 18:59, July 8, 2016 (UTC)
- I've given it a try. I hope it's not even messier. Feel free to make fixes if you find any incorrectly-categorized or missing members. -Silacko (talk) 09:05, July 9, 2016 (UTC)
- Looks nice. Good job, Silacko.--UskokS.H.I.E.L.D. Headquarters - Playground 17:40, July 9, 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks, Uskok. Ironloki also contributed. Silacko (talk) 18:03, July 9, 2016 (UTC)
- Looks nice. Good job, Silacko.--UskokS.H.I.E.L.D. Headquarters - Playground 17:40, July 9, 2016 (UTC)
- I've given it a try. I hope it's not even messier. Feel free to make fixes if you find any incorrectly-categorized or missing members. -Silacko (talk) 09:05, July 9, 2016 (UTC)
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